Collateral blood relative
Sir Johann III von Mengen
Also recorded as Johann III von Mengen · Jean III de Mengen · Johannes von Mengen III
Lord of Dalheim, castle-governor of Neu-Warsberg and justice of German Lorraine; husband of Catherine de Bauffremont by marriage contract of 27 January 1340. He is a separate historical figure and is not Mengin Le Clerc.
- Dates
- Died after 1378
- Titles and offices
- Herr zu Dalheim
- Burgvogt zu Neu-Warsberg
- Justice of German Lorraine
- House or family
- Von Mengen
- Mother
- Adelaide de Parroye
- Spouse
- Catherine de Bauffremont
Marriage contract with Catherine de Bauffremont, 27 January 1340
- Children in this pedigree
- Anna von MengenCollateral
- Johann IV von MengenCollateral
- Relationship to Brandon
- Research record only. An earlier reconstruction of this archive identified him with Mengin Le Clerc; that identification has been withdrawn and he is not an ancestor of Brandon Noble LeClaire.
- Evidence status
- Published Genealogy
Collateral blood relative. Research record only. An earlier reconstruction of this archive identified him with Mengin Le Clerc; that identification has been withdrawn and he is not an ancestor of Brandon Noble LeClaire.
Line to Brandon Noble LeClaire
This person is a collateral blood relative. No line of descent runs through them.
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Maternal line
All 2 recorded ancestors of Sir Johann III von Mengen
- Sir Johann II "the Tall" von MengenDates not established
- Adelaide de ParroyeDates not established
Research history
Retained so that the history of the research can be followed. The Bauffremont, Ray, Faucogney, Joinville, Auxonne and Salian material attached to his wife belongs to this separate record and not to the Le Clerc direct pedigree.
Sources for this record
Sources are listed in order of evidential weight. A contemporary record outranks a printed reference work; a printed reference work outranks a derivative pedigree or an online database.
1. Major published genealogical reference
Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, Europäische Stammtafeln, Volume VII, Tafel 33
- Cited for: Sir Johann III von Mengen and his Mengen ancestry
- Cited for: His marriage to Catherine de Bauffremont
2. Major published genealogical reference
Detlev Schwennicke, Europäische Stammtafeln, Neue Folge, Volume XXVI, Tafel 74
- Cited for: Sir Johann III von Mengen and Catherine de Bauffremont
- Cited for: Pierre I de Bauffremont and the Bauffremont relationships
- Cited for: Catherine de Bauffremont as daughter of Pierre I de Bauffremont and Jeanne de Ray
3. Major published genealogical reference
Detlev Schwennicke, Europäische Stammtafeln, Neue Folge, Volume XVII, Tafel 121
- Cited for: Anna von Mengen and the subsequent Mengen connection
4. Accessible derivative pedigree
Our Royal, Titled, Noble and Commoner Ancestors — Sir Johann III von Mengen and Catherine de Bauffremont View source
- Cited for: Sir Johann III von Mengen, Herr zu Dalheim, Burgvogt zu Neu-Warsberg, justice of German Lorraine, died after 1378
- Cited for: His parents Sir Johann II the Tall von Mengen and Adelaide de Parroye
- Cited for: Marriage contract with Catherine de Bauffremont dated 27 January 1340
- Cited for: Catherine de Bauffremont as daughter of Pierre I de Bauffremont, Sire de Vauvillers and Ruppes (died 1347), and Jeanne de Ray; her will of 1367
- Cited for: Anna von Mengen, living after 17 January 1409
A derivative compilation. It is cited here because it reproduces and references the printed Stammtafeln tables listed above; the printed works remain the authority.
5. Corroborating genealogical database
Stromsnes genealogical database — family record of Johann III von Mengen View source
- Cited for: Independent corroboration of the marriage of Johann III von Mengen and Catherine de Bauffremont (Beffroimont) on 27 January 1340
- Cited for: Anna von Mengen and Johann IV von Mengen as their children
This database gives Catherine's mother as Anna von Parvys, conflicting with the Stammtafeln-derived pedigree followed here, which gives Jeanne de Ray. It is not used as an authority for Catherine's parentage; the conflict is preserved in the research ledger.
Further references
- Wilhelm Karl, Prinz zu Isenburg, Europäische Stammtafeln, Volume VII, Tafel 33
- Detlev Schwennicke, Europäische Stammtafeln, Neue Folge, Volume XXVI, Tafel 74
- Detlev Schwennicke, Europäische Stammtafeln, Neue Folge, Volume XVII, Tafel 121
- Mémoires de l'Académie nationale de Metz
Sir Johann III von Mengen is recorded in the ancestry of the House of LeClaire alongside 176 other identified individuals.
